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		<title>By: edsalert</title>
		<link>http://www.edsalert.com/2008/07/11/poll-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-32639</link>
		<dc:creator>edsalert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As of this morning July 17 at 9 am central time.  

82 for RETAIL 
71 for FREE.

It is obviously not a runaway race.   

Poll vote will stop at the end of July.   

We&#039;ll see what kind of total it will be.   Of course, this is not a true sampling of all, but it does give us a pause and wonder..

eyes open &amp; thumbs up,

Ed B</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As of this morning July 17 at 9 am central time.  </p>
<p>82 for RETAIL<br />
71 for FREE.</p>
<p>It is obviously not a runaway race.   </p>
<p>Poll vote will stop at the end of July.   </p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see what kind of total it will be.   Of course, this is not a true sampling of all, but it does give us a pause and wonder..</p>
<p>eyes open &#038; thumbs up,</p>
<p>Ed B</p>
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		<title>By: edsalert</title>
		<link>http://www.edsalert.com/2008/07/11/poll-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-32481</link>
		<dc:creator>edsalert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim,

Understood and thanks for ur thoughts.   They&#039;re appreciated. 

One comment to ur last paragraph.  You&#039;re right &quot;..compensation tends to change the dynamics..&quot;.  The way I see it, though is that there are now 11 VRS providers and two or three more coming up. So far none of them have filed for bankruptcy. or closed the shop.  This tells me VRS providers ALREADY have plenty of incentives to stay in VRS business. What we&#039;re seeing is flurry of new video phones from VRS industry; I am pretty sure it is because of the very nice reimbursements rates.   Woes or whines from VRS providers do not tell the true story; simply by looking at the business side of it tells the story - at least outlying part of it and none of them close shops.   Maybe it is &quot;not yet&quot;.   I don&#039;t know, but not happening now.  

Even tho VRS has been around a while, it is still in its infancy so we all - VRS providers, consumers, and government - are going thru growing pains. The recent Rule and Order from the FCC bears that out.   Eventually, I&#039;m sure we&#039;ll find a happy balance down in the future- I hope &quot;NEAR&quot; future though.  

We truly are in exciting times!    

eyes open &amp; thumbs up,

Ed B</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,</p>
<p>Understood and thanks for ur thoughts.   They&#8217;re appreciated. </p>
<p>One comment to ur last paragraph.  You&#8217;re right &#8220;..compensation tends to change the dynamics..&#8221;.  The way I see it, though is that there are now 11 VRS providers and two or three more coming up. So far none of them have filed for bankruptcy. or closed the shop.  This tells me VRS providers ALREADY have plenty of incentives to stay in VRS business. What we&#8217;re seeing is flurry of new video phones from VRS industry; I am pretty sure it is because of the very nice reimbursements rates.   Woes or whines from VRS providers do not tell the true story; simply by looking at the business side of it tells the story &#8211; at least outlying part of it and none of them close shops.   Maybe it is &#8220;not yet&#8221;.   I don&#8217;t know, but not happening now.  </p>
<p>Even tho VRS has been around a while, it is still in its infancy so we all &#8211; VRS providers, consumers, and government &#8211; are going thru growing pains. The recent Rule and Order from the FCC bears that out.   Eventually, I&#8217;m sure we&#8217;ll find a happy balance down in the future- I hope &#8220;NEAR&#8221; future though.  </p>
<p>We truly are in exciting times!    </p>
<p>eyes open &#038; thumbs up,</p>
<p>Ed B</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.edsalert.com/2008/07/11/poll-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-32467</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I voted  for retail...but I honestly feel that the two approaches can coexist.

First, the big part of the reason why we have free VP in the first place is because the relay companies have incentive to give us the VP for free.  The more people who have VP, the more the interpreters are utilized.  The higher utilization means that they get paid for providing more service by the FCC.  I see no reason why VP cannot be free under those circumstances.  In another words, I believe that free VP, and all of its &quot;rules&quot; of usage is a symptom of the fact that the FCC is paying them by the minute for providing interpreting service.

Another symptom is...they don&#039;t have much of an incentive to encourage or help hearing people call deaf people directly using their VP.  The thing I don&#039;t particularly like is -- to combat that symptom, we are setting up laws and regulations saying that the VP companies have to allow their VP to be used by other companies.  That is yet another layer or rules, making the law a bit more complicated.

Now, I don&#039;t know a good solution to this...but what I&#039;d like to do is maybe rethink how the VRS provider is compensated for their service.  Any form of compensation will tend to change the dynamics of how the market will respond, and in some cases cause things that we don&#039;t want.  The question is are we really better off because of it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I voted  for retail&#8230;but I honestly feel that the two approaches can coexist.</p>
<p>First, the big part of the reason why we have free VP in the first place is because the relay companies have incentive to give us the VP for free.  The more people who have VP, the more the interpreters are utilized.  The higher utilization means that they get paid for providing more service by the FCC.  I see no reason why VP cannot be free under those circumstances.  In another words, I believe that free VP, and all of its &#8220;rules&#8221; of usage is a symptom of the fact that the FCC is paying them by the minute for providing interpreting service.</p>
<p>Another symptom is&#8230;they don&#8217;t have much of an incentive to encourage or help hearing people call deaf people directly using their VP.  The thing I don&#8217;t particularly like is &#8212; to combat that symptom, we are setting up laws and regulations saying that the VP companies have to allow their VP to be used by other companies.  That is yet another layer or rules, making the law a bit more complicated.</p>
<p>Now, I don&#8217;t know a good solution to this&#8230;but what I&#8217;d like to do is maybe rethink how the VRS provider is compensated for their service.  Any form of compensation will tend to change the dynamics of how the market will respond, and in some cases cause things that we don&#8217;t want.  The question is are we really better off because of it?</p>
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		<title>By: LJS</title>
		<link>http://www.edsalert.com/2008/07/11/poll-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-32392</link>
		<dc:creator>LJS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like pagers/PDAs, the consumers have choices of choosing the right device and the right provider. However, this does not apply to the VP choices lately - prefer to choose and to purchase my choice of the product that can enable me the freedom to choose any VRS provider as well as the freedom of calling any deaf VP user regardless of which model.  Hey, VRS providers, please wake up and listen to us!  Smile!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like pagers/PDAs, the consumers have choices of choosing the right device and the right provider. However, this does not apply to the VP choices lately &#8211; prefer to choose and to purchase my choice of the product that can enable me the freedom to choose any VRS provider as well as the freedom of calling any deaf VP user regardless of which model.  Hey, VRS providers, please wake up and listen to us!  Smile!</p>
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		<title>By: edsalert</title>
		<link>http://www.edsalert.com/2008/07/11/poll-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-32385</link>
		<dc:creator>edsalert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks,

I got quite a few private emails asking me why I did this poll.   This issue always has been an issue for me, but I became curious when I started receiving complaints from grassroots folks about these free VPs.  Not many though.  To actually receive complaints because of free VPs was in itself unusual so I decided to try this poll.   So far poll seems to bear that out.  

eyes open &amp; thumbs up,

Ed B</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks,</p>
<p>I got quite a few private emails asking me why I did this poll.   This issue always has been an issue for me, but I became curious when I started receiving complaints from grassroots folks about these free VPs.  Not many though.  To actually receive complaints because of free VPs was in itself unusual so I decided to try this poll.   So far poll seems to bear that out.  </p>
<p>eyes open &#038; thumbs up,</p>
<p>Ed B</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Nelson</title>
		<link>http://www.edsalert.com/2008/07/11/poll-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-32384</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am for BOTH free and VP purchases.    As for free VPs, they should be part of Telecommunications Equipment Distribution programs for those people who cannot afford to buy them.  Free VPs should be only basic.  VP purchases should include ALL options to allow consumers to select and pay for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am for BOTH free and VP purchases.    As for free VPs, they should be part of Telecommunications Equipment Distribution programs for those people who cannot afford to buy them.  Free VPs should be only basic.  VP purchases should include ALL options to allow consumers to select and pay for them.</p>
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		<title>By: edsalert</title>
		<link>http://www.edsalert.com/2008/07/11/poll-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-32377</link>
		<dc:creator>edsalert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! This poll shows clearly pro and cons of both side of the issue.  As of this morning July 14 - 6:15 am, the tally is 49 for FREE and 57 for RETAIL.  I hope more people vote as it will give us valuable insight.   

Disclaimer, of course, is who the subscribers are.   Most if not nearly all are interested in TRS issues so they subscribe edsalert.  What about the teeming masses of grassroots folks who do not give a damn about the underlying issues of TRS?  Even so, I thought it was insightful.  The comments were particularly valuable.   

Daryl, your suggestion of state association/clubs distributing VP to earn points is intriguing.   I will have to think about that.  Regardless, it shows that there are possibilities.  There are, of course, ethical considerations one needs to consider before taking on any of new ideas.  

Keep comments coming; they are valuable.   

eyes open &amp; thumbs up,

Ed B</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! This poll shows clearly pro and cons of both side of the issue.  As of this morning July 14 &#8211; 6:15 am, the tally is 49 for FREE and 57 for RETAIL.  I hope more people vote as it will give us valuable insight.   </p>
<p>Disclaimer, of course, is who the subscribers are.   Most if not nearly all are interested in TRS issues so they subscribe edsalert.  What about the teeming masses of grassroots folks who do not give a damn about the underlying issues of TRS?  Even so, I thought it was insightful.  The comments were particularly valuable.   </p>
<p>Daryl, your suggestion of state association/clubs distributing VP to earn points is intriguing.   I will have to think about that.  Regardless, it shows that there are possibilities.  There are, of course, ethical considerations one needs to consider before taking on any of new ideas.  </p>
<p>Keep comments coming; they are valuable.   </p>
<p>eyes open &#038; thumbs up,</p>
<p>Ed B</p>
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		<title>By: Grant W Laird Jr</title>
		<link>http://www.edsalert.com/2008/07/11/poll-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-32350</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant W Laird Jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 02:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think its good idea to have several plans such as free version, basic,  portable, office and top-of-the-line VP. It&#039;s still too early to tell which one is best interest in deaf community right now.

I did not vote either because I want to support both free and retail VP options. 

Hmmm...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think its good idea to have several plans such as free version, basic,  portable, office and top-of-the-line VP. It&#8217;s still too early to tell which one is best interest in deaf community right now.</p>
<p>I did not vote either because I want to support both free and retail VP options. </p>
<p>Hmmm&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alfred Sonnenstrahl</title>
		<link>http://www.edsalert.com/2008/07/11/poll-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-32320</link>
		<dc:creator>Alfred Sonnenstrahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Free videophones give the VRS manufacturers the right to control our choices which would mean for us to be time-inefficient and confused should we want to use other VRS providers.

Purchasing videophones would mean that the startup menu will, like TTYs, be generic and acceptable by organizations who must be neutral such as the public government agencies and various equipment distribution programs, to name a few.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Free videophones give the VRS manufacturers the right to control our choices which would mean for us to be time-inefficient and confused should we want to use other VRS providers.</p>
<p>Purchasing videophones would mean that the startup menu will, like TTYs, be generic and acceptable by organizations who must be neutral such as the public government agencies and various equipment distribution programs, to name a few.</p>
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		<title>By: Ocho</title>
		<link>http://www.edsalert.com/2008/07/11/poll-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-32246</link>
		<dc:creator>Ocho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless the Federal Government is subsidizing the distribution of free equipments, it is unreasonable to demand for free because companies that make them need incentives to put innovative and affordable technology on the market. On the other hand, consumers would value their equipment because they invested to obtain it. The have-nots should be allowed to obtain them through VR vouchers. However, if prices go exorbitant like hearing aids and hearing aid batteries, it is not advisable to push for a retail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless the Federal Government is subsidizing the distribution of free equipments, it is unreasonable to demand for free because companies that make them need incentives to put innovative and affordable technology on the market. On the other hand, consumers would value their equipment because they invested to obtain it. The have-nots should be allowed to obtain them through VR vouchers. However, if prices go exorbitant like hearing aids and hearing aid batteries, it is not advisable to push for a retail.</p>
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