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	<title>Comments on: Models:State TRS RFP vs VRS/IP Free Enterprise</title>
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		<title>By: edsalert</title>
		<link>http://www.edsalert.com/2008/09/12/modelsstate-trs-rfp-vs-vrsip-free-enterprise/comment-page-1/#comment-36140</link>
		<dc:creator>edsalert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel H.,

I hope to do it by end of next week.   I wanted to try a different type of video editor (videowave from Roxio), but am having problem with that.  Once I fix that, I want to use that for that..failing that back to MS Moivemaker.

eyes open &amp; thumbs up,

Ed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel H.,</p>
<p>I hope to do it by end of next week.   I wanted to try a different type of video editor (videowave from Roxio), but am having problem with that.  Once I fix that, I want to use that for that..failing that back to MS Moivemaker.</p>
<p>eyes open &#038; thumbs up,</p>
<p>Ed</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed,

I thought more about what you are proposing, and I think I like the federated administration executed at the state level.  But let&#039;s see what you&#039;re going to say.  Is there a timeline when you&#039;re going to vlog about it? 

:)

Daniel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed,</p>
<p>I thought more about what you are proposing, and I think I like the federated administration executed at the state level.  But let&#8217;s see what you&#8217;re going to say.  Is there a timeline when you&#8217;re going to vlog about it? </p>
<p> <img src='http://www.edsalert.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Daniel</p>
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		<title>By: edsalert</title>
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		<dc:creator>edsalert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 01:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

Good analysis on your part.  The idea I have I will share.  

+++++++++++++++

As for rest of you who voiced support for vlog.   I will try do the vlogs even if bit too long, but will add text for those who do not want to see vlog.   From time to time, I will say TB and post text ;-]

[g]   eyes open &amp; thumbs up,

Ed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>Good analysis on your part.  The idea I have I will share.  </p>
<p>+++++++++++++++</p>
<p>As for rest of you who voiced support for vlog.   I will try do the vlogs even if bit too long, but will add text for those who do not want to see vlog.   From time to time, I will say TB and post text ;-]</p>
<p>[g]   eyes open &#038; thumbs up,</p>
<p>Ed</p>
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		<title>By: edsalert</title>
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		<dc:creator>edsalert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 01:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SB, 

Oh, I&#039;m hurt (not really ;-).   I&#039;m a native signer since I was 3 years old (my hearing parents in their wisdon found a deaf family and their deaf son - same age as me - Race Drake (we were pals) and we got together quite a bit. I grew up at Arkansas School for the Deaf.  At my school years (my classmates of Arkies will attest to that) most of our teachers were deaf and strong ASL users.  To top it off, we had deaf storytellers (Drake, Palmer, Nichols, etc) that would sign stories 2 to 3 hours in ASL - also, we had deaf preacher (Rev Hirte) who loved to tell 15 to 30 min biblical stories in ASL.  Also, I was an actor at both ASD and Gally.  Heck, director at Gally - Eastman (God rest his soul) assigned me to teach ASL to a fellow actress that now is a movie star in her own right.   So I can sign ASL, but edsalert covers wide subscribers - so I sorta do a PSE (I know that word is no longer used, but that acronym seems to explain so well).  

eyes open &amp; thumbs up,

Ed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SB, </p>
<p>Oh, I&#8217;m hurt (not really <img src='http://www.edsalert.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .   I&#8217;m a native signer since I was 3 years old (my hearing parents in their wisdon found a deaf family and their deaf son &#8211; same age as me &#8211; Race Drake (we were pals) and we got together quite a bit. I grew up at Arkansas School for the Deaf.  At my school years (my classmates of Arkies will attest to that) most of our teachers were deaf and strong ASL users.  To top it off, we had deaf storytellers (Drake, Palmer, Nichols, etc) that would sign stories 2 to 3 hours in ASL &#8211; also, we had deaf preacher (Rev Hirte) who loved to tell 15 to 30 min biblical stories in ASL.  Also, I was an actor at both ASD and Gally.  Heck, director at Gally &#8211; Eastman (God rest his soul) assigned me to teach ASL to a fellow actress that now is a movie star in her own right.   So I can sign ASL, but edsalert covers wide subscribers &#8211; so I sorta do a PSE (I know that word is no longer used, but that acronym seems to explain so well).  </p>
<p>eyes open &#038; thumbs up,</p>
<p>Ed</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.edsalert.com/2008/09/12/modelsstate-trs-rfp-vs-vrsip-free-enterprise/comment-page-1/#comment-35947</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 01:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thought-provoking and there are pros and cons in each model - namely that when I visited the US I was under the impression that many State Relay Administrators insist on a relay center based in their state as part of the tendering and contracting process.
If this is correct then some states will win over others, especially those with scarce interpreting resources - this will put pressure on prospective VRS service center to &#039;make do&#039; with what is available leading to inequalities for deaf people living in that state as opposed to other states with plentiful supply of interpreters.  This is one concern - another is that states like wyoming has (I was told) only around 200 ASL signers - how could that state support a fully fledged video relay center?
The above covers the cons.

The pros for me seem to be the accountability side of the VRS to deaf people living in the state for the quality of the service, interpreters and even the supply of videophones.  With the present federal system it seem to me (as an outsider) that the &#039;accountability&#039; is very diluted and one has to have strong determination to get their issues addressed and so it means that most will &#039;make do&#039; and move on to a different provider...

Would love to analyse your win/win solution...

Smile

Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought-provoking and there are pros and cons in each model &#8211; namely that when I visited the US I was under the impression that many State Relay Administrators insist on a relay center based in their state as part of the tendering and contracting process.<br />
If this is correct then some states will win over others, especially those with scarce interpreting resources &#8211; this will put pressure on prospective VRS service center to &#8216;make do&#8217; with what is available leading to inequalities for deaf people living in that state as opposed to other states with plentiful supply of interpreters.  This is one concern &#8211; another is that states like wyoming has (I was told) only around 200 ASL signers &#8211; how could that state support a fully fledged video relay center?<br />
The above covers the cons.</p>
<p>The pros for me seem to be the accountability side of the VRS to deaf people living in the state for the quality of the service, interpreters and even the supply of videophones.  With the present federal system it seem to me (as an outsider) that the &#8216;accountability&#8217; is very diluted and one has to have strong determination to get their issues addressed and so it means that most will &#8216;make do&#8217; and move on to a different provider&#8230;</p>
<p>Would love to analyse your win/win solution&#8230;</p>
<p>Smile</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: edsalert</title>
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		<dc:creator>edsalert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 01:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry,

This functional equivalence sometimes can be a double-edged sword.  It could bite back.   This is one issue I wanted to raise in the near future of exactly what functional equivalence really means.   My beef is that why should we be equal to hearies?  Why can&#039;t we be AHEAD of hearies?  Instead of &quot;catching up&quot; to the level of hearies?   Be on the lookout for that issue in the near future.

eyes open &amp; thumbs up,

Ed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry,</p>
<p>This functional equivalence sometimes can be a double-edged sword.  It could bite back.   This is one issue I wanted to raise in the near future of exactly what functional equivalence really means.   My beef is that why should we be equal to hearies?  Why can&#8217;t we be AHEAD of hearies?  Instead of &#8220;catching up&#8221; to the level of hearies?   Be on the lookout for that issue in the near future.</p>
<p>eyes open &#038; thumbs up,</p>
<p>Ed</p>
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		<title>By: Sb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed,

I love this discourse esp., that I&#039;m into communication access technology. While your wisdom and musings are appreciated, it would increase my understanding if you vlogged this article.  And do you have a friend who&#039;s a native signer that could help you?

My best with two thumbs up!  Thanks for keeping on track on this note and telling us--readers, fans or friends/colleagues what you&#039;re up to!

Smiles,

S~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed,</p>
<p>I love this discourse esp., that I&#8217;m into communication access technology. While your wisdom and musings are appreciated, it would increase my understanding if you vlogged this article.  And do you have a friend who&#8217;s a native signer that could help you?</p>
<p>My best with two thumbs up!  Thanks for keeping on track on this note and telling us&#8211;readers, fans or friends/colleagues what you&#8217;re up to!</p>
<p>Smiles,</p>
<p>S~</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence J Brick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lawrence J Brick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Number one rule: FUNCTIONAL EQUIVALENCY with hearing telephone users.

This means:
-equal cost to customers for telephone service
-freedom of choice.

Conversely:
If cost of service to relay users is higher, then cost of service to hearing people&#039;s use of IP telephones  must be raised.

If relay users are restricted to one provider in state, then hearing telelphone users must be restricted also. 

In other words what&#039;s good for the hearies is good for the deafies (and not all the hearies are goose and not all the deafies are ganders) to bastardize the expression of:

&quot;what&#039;s good for the goose is good for the ganders!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Number one rule: FUNCTIONAL EQUIVALENCY with hearing telephone users.</p>
<p>This means:<br />
-equal cost to customers for telephone service<br />
-freedom of choice.</p>
<p>Conversely:<br />
If cost of service to relay users is higher, then cost of service to hearing people&#8217;s use of IP telephones  must be raised.</p>
<p>If relay users are restricted to one provider in state, then hearing telelphone users must be restricted also. </p>
<p>In other words what&#8217;s good for the hearies is good for the deafies (and not all the hearies are goose and not all the deafies are ganders) to bastardize the expression of:</p>
<p>&#8220;what&#8217;s good for the goose is good for the ganders!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Winston Ching</title>
		<link>http://www.edsalert.com/2008/09/12/modelsstate-trs-rfp-vs-vrsip-free-enterprise/comment-page-1/#comment-35918</link>
		<dc:creator>Winston Ching</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 23:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed

California has made a major investment in soliciting and incorporating consumer feedback on relay specifications.  I think that the state will not be happy if your proposal does not contain significant consumer protection and quality management beyond ASA and blockage.

Winston</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed</p>
<p>California has made a major investment in soliciting and incorporating consumer feedback on relay specifications.  I think that the state will not be happy if your proposal does not contain significant consumer protection and quality management beyond ASA and blockage.</p>
<p>Winston</p>
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		<title>By: edsalert</title>
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		<dc:creator>edsalert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May,

Whether traditional TRS uers pay for long distance calls or not will depend on his/her telephone account.  If you are talking about Internet-based relay service being handled at the state level (RFP) then likely will depend on the specifics of the Request for Proposal.  A few states may want to save $$ by allowing Internet-based relay providers charge for long distance calls.  It all depends on how states write their RFPs.   

And - thank you for your remark about blog vs vlog.  One more question.  Do u think 10 or more minutes of vlog - people will view them?   

eyes open &amp; thumbs up,

Ed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May,</p>
<p>Whether traditional TRS uers pay for long distance calls or not will depend on his/her telephone account.  If you are talking about Internet-based relay service being handled at the state level (RFP) then likely will depend on the specifics of the Request for Proposal.  A few states may want to save $$ by allowing Internet-based relay providers charge for long distance calls.  It all depends on how states write their RFPs.   </p>
<p>And &#8211; thank you for your remark about blog vs vlog.  One more question.  Do u think 10 or more minutes of vlog &#8211; people will view them?   </p>
<p>eyes open &#038; thumbs up,</p>
<p>Ed</p>
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