Comments on: Another Well-Thought Out Comment http://www.edsalert.com/2009/07/07/another-well-thought-out-comment/ POSTS ALERTS REGARDING TRS & ITS RELATED ISSUES Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:46:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Coder99 http://www.edsalert.com/2009/07/07/another-well-thought-out-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-73245 Coder99 Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:20:42 +0000 http://www.edsalert.com/2009/07/07/another-well-thought-out-comment/#comment-73245 But their training in doing a daily radio show with no script in front of them and no producer talking in their earpiece makes them naturals for TV. , But their training in doing a daily radio show with no script in front of them and no producer talking in their earpiece makes them naturals for TV. ,

]]> By: Lee http://www.edsalert.com/2009/07/07/another-well-thought-out-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-69654 Lee Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:46:03 +0000 http://www.edsalert.com/2009/07/07/another-well-thought-out-comment/#comment-69654 Yeah...check this out....apparently persons living outside the U.S. are now using falsified information indicating they live in the U.S in order to recieve phone numbers and purchase state of the art equiptment to use with VRS. Not only does this seem to be condoned by the VRS provider, but likely initiated by the VRS provider. Meanwhile the front lines of VRS (interpreters) are not even offered a discount on such equiptment. Many interpreters have family members who are deaf, and they would love to have access to this equiptment. That is CARP! Yeah, you read that right; a big steaming pile of FISH! Yeah…check this out….apparently persons living outside the U.S. are now using falsified information indicating they live in the U.S in order to recieve phone numbers and purchase state of the art equiptment to use with VRS. Not only does this seem to be condoned by the VRS provider, but likely initiated by the VRS provider. Meanwhile the front lines of VRS (interpreters) are not even offered a discount on such equiptment. Many interpreters have family members who are deaf, and they would love to have access to this equiptment. That is CARP! Yeah, you read that right; a big steaming pile of FISH!

]]> By: Henry http://www.edsalert.com/2009/07/07/another-well-thought-out-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-69614 Henry Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:54:58 +0000 http://www.edsalert.com/2009/07/07/another-well-thought-out-comment/#comment-69614 Canadians are not taking advantage of your NECA $$$. VRS companies are! (I personally have yet to make a VRS call - waiting till we get our own! - and, hey I am still living comfortably!) I tell anyone who brings this up that Canadians who use VRS for purely Canadian calls are not doing anything illegal. The illegality/fraud occurs if the VRS company bills NECA knowingly (or without taking due dilligence). If you believe in the tooth fairy you might also believe that the VRS companies are simply doing the Canada to Canada calls as a public service or marketing exercise and are not billing the minutes to NECA! Canadians are not taking advantage of your NECA $$$. VRS companies are! (I personally have yet to make a VRS call – waiting till we get our own! – and, hey I am still living comfortably!)

I tell anyone who brings this up that Canadians who use VRS for purely Canadian calls are not doing anything illegal. The illegality/fraud occurs if the VRS company bills NECA knowingly (or without taking due dilligence).

If you believe in the tooth fairy you might also believe that the VRS companies are simply doing the Canada to Canada calls as a public service or marketing exercise and are not billing the minutes to NECA!

]]> By: Andy L http://www.edsalert.com/2009/07/07/another-well-thought-out-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-69569 Andy L Thu, 09 Jul 2009 02:09:17 +0000 http://www.edsalert.com/2009/07/07/another-well-thought-out-comment/#comment-69569 Yup, am very aware that VRS to Canada is allowed as long as it originate or terminates in USA. My parents live in Canada for six month for the summer and I call them often as long as I am making calls from my home or office in Indiana. My Canadian friends told me that deaf schools in Canada have videophones installed everywhere and the students call their hearing parents all the times using VRS. It is not really a secret... it has been going on for about for 3 or 4 years now. Canadians are taking advantage of our NECA $$$... I am hoping that the ten digit numbering system will stop this ongoing fraud but I doubt it because there is no security protocols to verify valid addresses when people sign up. Yup, am very aware that VRS to Canada is allowed as long as it originate or terminates in USA. My parents live in Canada for six month for the summer and I call them often as long as I am making calls from my home or office in Indiana. My Canadian friends told me that deaf schools in Canada have videophones installed everywhere and the students call their hearing parents all the times using VRS. It is not really a secret… it has been going on for about for 3 or 4 years now. Canadians are taking advantage of our NECA $$$… I am hoping that the ten digit numbering system will stop this ongoing fraud but I doubt it because there is no security protocols to verify valid addresses when people sign up.

]]> By: edsalert http://www.edsalert.com/2009/07/07/another-well-thought-out-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-69562 edsalert Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:34:41 +0000 http://www.edsalert.com/2009/07/07/another-well-thought-out-comment/#comment-69562 Henry, Really hope Canada offers VRS soon. I cannot imagine being without VRS now. Even hearies rave about VRS. Henry,

Really hope Canada offers VRS soon. I cannot imagine being without VRS now. Even hearies rave about VRS.

]]> By: edsalert http://www.edsalert.com/2009/07/07/another-well-thought-out-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-69561 edsalert Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:30:47 +0000 http://www.edsalert.com/2009/07/07/another-well-thought-out-comment/#comment-69561 Andly L, Foreigners using VRS to call into USA permitted. Foreigners using IP Relay to call into USA verboten. Seems there is a regulation forbidding IP Relay of any foreign calls. Of course, foreigners using VRS to call their hearing folks in their countries is verboten. Any TRS features except IP Relay must originate or terminate at USA. IP Relay is not allowed any foreign calls. Andly L,

Foreigners using VRS to call into USA permitted. Foreigners using IP Relay to call into USA verboten. Seems there is a regulation forbidding IP Relay of any foreign calls.

Of course, foreigners using VRS to call their hearing folks in their countries is verboten. Any TRS features except IP Relay must originate or terminate at USA. IP Relay is not allowed any foreign calls.

]]> By: Retired State Regulator http://www.edsalert.com/2009/07/07/another-well-thought-out-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-69553 Retired State Regulator Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:07:19 +0000 http://www.edsalert.com/2009/07/07/another-well-thought-out-comment/#comment-69553 oh, and just in case we Deaf are not getting enough shame from VRS abuse, today (July 8, 2009) the FBI put out a new warning about TRS scams. Eek. "07/08/09—The IC3 continues to receive complaints pertaining to scam artists using Telecommunications Relay Services (TRS) to defraud U.S. businesses and consumers." For full article, see http://www.fbi.gov/cyberinvest/escams.htm oh, and just in case we Deaf are not getting enough shame from VRS abuse, today (July 8, 2009) the FBI put out a new warning about TRS scams. Eek.

“07/08/09—The IC3 continues to receive complaints pertaining to scam artists using Telecommunications Relay Services (TRS) to defraud U.S. businesses and consumers.”

For full article, see http://www.fbi.gov/cyberinvest/escams.htm

]]> By: Henry http://www.edsalert.com/2009/07/07/another-well-thought-out-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-69537 Henry Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:47:17 +0000 http://www.edsalert.com/2009/07/07/another-well-thought-out-comment/#comment-69537 Yep. Canucks use VRS all the time and not just for calls to the USA - which ARE permited. VRS providers sometimes block such calls, but often not. Several VRS providers have come up here and provided free equipment and installation, etc. FCC does know about it but is not enforcing it. But I doubt this is one of the biggie frauds. Just one of the smaller ones. And Sorenson has 4 call centres up here along with the problems it causes for community interpreting. So not fair they come and bring their problems here without us also benefiting! Decision as to Canada's own VRS is expected any day - already overdue! Henry (who is the main advocate on this issue in Canada) Yep. Canucks use VRS all the time and not just for calls to the USA – which ARE permited. VRS providers sometimes block such calls, but often not. Several VRS providers have come up here and provided free equipment and installation, etc. FCC does know about it but is not enforcing it. But I doubt this is one of the biggie frauds. Just one of the smaller ones.

And Sorenson has 4 call centres up here along with the problems it causes for community interpreting. So not fair they come and bring their problems here without us also benefiting!

Decision as to Canada’s own VRS is expected any day – already overdue!

Henry (who is the main advocate on this issue in Canada)

]]> By: Johnnie http://www.edsalert.com/2009/07/07/another-well-thought-out-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-69535 Johnnie Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:41:11 +0000 http://www.edsalert.com/2009/07/07/another-well-thought-out-comment/#comment-69535 It'll be nice if USTA divided the use of English VRS minutes vs. Español VRS minutes. Since in the past there was no such services that provide Español VRS, while today its blooming like a wild flower. This is a common pratice that is used to build the communication gap from ASL to Español. Possibly in the future VRS industries would think about capturing the next thrid larges population culture in the US and then so. It’ll be nice if USTA divided the use of English VRS minutes vs. Español VRS minutes. Since in the past there was no such services that provide Español VRS, while today its blooming like a wild flower.

This is a common pratice that is used to build the communication gap from ASL to Español. Possibly in the future VRS industries would think about capturing the next thrid larges population culture in the US and then so.

]]> By: edsalert http://www.edsalert.com/2009/07/07/another-well-thought-out-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-69531 edsalert Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:48:05 +0000 http://www.edsalert.com/2009/07/07/another-well-thought-out-comment/#comment-69531 That's one rule I need to check regulation out. If a person outside of USA calls into USA, that is permitted except for Internet Relay; I am talking about deaf to hearing persons. I am not sure about VRS, though. Now for Canada using US VRS to call other person within Canada - that's a no no. Will try to find out...and let y'all know. eyes open & thumbs up, That’s one rule I need to check regulation out. If a person outside of USA calls into USA, that is permitted except for Internet Relay; I am talking about deaf to hearing persons. I am not sure about VRS, though. Now for Canada using US VRS to call other person within Canada – that’s a no no. Will try to find out…and let y’all know.

eyes open & thumbs up,

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