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		<title>By: Moving Forward for a Noble Cause (RID 2009) &#124; Reflexivity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moving Forward for a Noble Cause (RID 2009) &#124; Reflexivity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of the Deaf (NAD) National Association of Black Interpreters (NAOBI) FBI Warrants and Warning, Ed&#8217;s Telecom Alert vision: a future for interpreting, Reflexivity RID Testing Process: Steps to Certification The [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of the Deaf (NAD) National Association of Black Interpreters (NAOBI) FBI Warrants and Warning, Ed&#8217;s Telecom Alert vision: a future for interpreting, Reflexivity RID Testing Process: Steps to Certification The [...]</p>
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		<title>By: edsalert</title>
		<link>http://www.edsalert.com/2009/07/08/fbi-warrants-and-warning/comment-page-3/#comment-70074</link>
		<dc:creator>edsalert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CK,

Thank you.  Yes, let&#039;s knock off that and get back to the core purpose of edsalert which CK hit right on nose (pardon the pun).

eyes open &amp; thumbs up...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CK,</p>
<p>Thank you.  Yes, let&#8217;s knock off that and get back to the core purpose of edsalert which CK hit right on nose (pardon the pun).</p>
<p>eyes open &#038; thumbs up&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ck</title>
		<link>http://www.edsalert.com/2009/07/08/fbi-warrants-and-warning/comment-page-3/#comment-70073</link>
		<dc:creator>ck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please knock off bashing interpreters and deaf/hoh.  The point of this posting is to discuss the fraudulence of VRS companies and sub-contractors.  Let&#039;s proceed with intellectual discussion on this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please knock off bashing interpreters and deaf/hoh.  The point of this posting is to discuss the fraudulence of VRS companies and sub-contractors.  Let&#8217;s proceed with intellectual discussion on this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: edsalert</title>
		<link>http://www.edsalert.com/2009/07/08/fbi-warrants-and-warning/comment-page-3/#comment-70072</link>
		<dc:creator>edsalert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We just hit 100 comments.   Due to some bug in the wordpress, I&#039;m not able to close the comments.  Folks, let&#039;s stop this now - I think we&#039;re done enough now  ;-]  Any more inflammatory remarks, i will now delete them.   

eyes open &amp; thumbs up...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We just hit 100 comments.   Due to some bug in the wordpress, I&#8217;m not able to close the comments.  Folks, let&#8217;s stop this now &#8211; I think we&#8217;re done enough now  ;-]  Any more inflammatory remarks, i will now delete them.   </p>
<p>eyes open &#038; thumbs up&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The One and Only Ridor</title>
		<link>http://www.edsalert.com/2009/07/08/fbi-warrants-and-warning/comment-page-2/#comment-70059</link>
		<dc:creator>The One and Only Ridor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TerpUSA:  Actually, I&#039;d fire you before you could even decline ... LOL.  I did twice before with a couple of interpreters whom I warned &#039;em that I fingerspell with my left hand, not right hand and they botched it twice and I had them removed immediately.

The point is that, an ideal interpreter is to interpret, period.  They are not there to befriend anyone else in particular.  That is my perspective.  For example, when I visited a doctor&#039;s office, I expect the interpreter to interpret everything possible but when the doctor&#039;s visit is concluded, the interpreter should simply vanish.  Often, they would try to chat afterward and I&#039;d decline &#039;em and told them to depart.  Sometimes interpreter would attempt to advise me of their thoughts or even attempt to hijack the conversation by jumping in to make &quot;suggestions&quot; -- that is not their place as an interpreter.  They, to me, are there to interpret and *shut up*.  

You mentioned, &quot;Would you like interpreter to tell you to shut up and pay attention?&quot;

Actually, many interpreters do that.  They often do that to children in mainstreaming programs.  They often tell that to students in community colleges/universities -- I know many interpreters would say, &quot;Watch me or I won&#039;t interpret!&quot;

Maybe you never did but many interpreters do these things like that.  Hence is why I made it clear that they re there to interpret, that&#039;s all they do.  C&#039;est la vie!

On other hand, I find it despicable that you would generalize and bash Deaf people about your so-called comment regarding paying taxes and social security -- these things that you have in your mind regarding Deaf people are getting old and it has *no* place in interpreting world, period.  If you have these generalizations about Deaf people at large, then you should get out of this profession!

Mm, you wrote:  &quot;I think that my main concern is if you dont trust us or think that we are over paid then why in gods name do you use us.&quot;

The answer is simple -- you WERE hired to be an interpreter -- we are obligated to use you to interpret even though you&#039;re being overpaid -- trust or not -- it is a matter within Deaf individuals which will take some *time* to rebuild the trust.  I had a conversation with several Deaf people via VP today about how they felt regarding the VIs ratting out to FCC/FBI about the problems with VRS (but not the conversations itself) ... they expressed that they cannot help but wonder if the VIs are capable of using OUR conversations against us sometimes in the future -- all I&#039;m saying is that they (and I) cannot help this if we feel like that, okay?

However, i would like to thank Gg and exVI for their comments.  I learned something new today.  

Keep rollin&#039;!

R-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TerpUSA:  Actually, I&#8217;d fire you before you could even decline &#8230; LOL.  I did twice before with a couple of interpreters whom I warned &#8216;em that I fingerspell with my left hand, not right hand and they botched it twice and I had them removed immediately.</p>
<p>The point is that, an ideal interpreter is to interpret, period.  They are not there to befriend anyone else in particular.  That is my perspective.  For example, when I visited a doctor&#8217;s office, I expect the interpreter to interpret everything possible but when the doctor&#8217;s visit is concluded, the interpreter should simply vanish.  Often, they would try to chat afterward and I&#8217;d decline &#8216;em and told them to depart.  Sometimes interpreter would attempt to advise me of their thoughts or even attempt to hijack the conversation by jumping in to make &#8220;suggestions&#8221; &#8212; that is not their place as an interpreter.  They, to me, are there to interpret and *shut up*.  </p>
<p>You mentioned, &#8220;Would you like interpreter to tell you to shut up and pay attention?&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, many interpreters do that.  They often do that to children in mainstreaming programs.  They often tell that to students in community colleges/universities &#8212; I know many interpreters would say, &#8220;Watch me or I won&#8217;t interpret!&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe you never did but many interpreters do these things like that.  Hence is why I made it clear that they re there to interpret, that&#8217;s all they do.  C&#8217;est la vie!</p>
<p>On other hand, I find it despicable that you would generalize and bash Deaf people about your so-called comment regarding paying taxes and social security &#8212; these things that you have in your mind regarding Deaf people are getting old and it has *no* place in interpreting world, period.  If you have these generalizations about Deaf people at large, then you should get out of this profession!</p>
<p>Mm, you wrote:  &#8220;I think that my main concern is if you dont trust us or think that we are over paid then why in gods name do you use us.&#8221;</p>
<p>The answer is simple &#8212; you WERE hired to be an interpreter &#8212; we are obligated to use you to interpret even though you&#8217;re being overpaid &#8212; trust or not &#8212; it is a matter within Deaf individuals which will take some *time* to rebuild the trust.  I had a conversation with several Deaf people via VP today about how they felt regarding the VIs ratting out to FCC/FBI about the problems with VRS (but not the conversations itself) &#8230; they expressed that they cannot help but wonder if the VIs are capable of using OUR conversations against us sometimes in the future &#8212; all I&#8217;m saying is that they (and I) cannot help this if we feel like that, okay?</p>
<p>However, i would like to thank Gg and exVI for their comments.  I learned something new today.  </p>
<p>Keep rollin&#8217;!</p>
<p>R-</p>
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		<title>By: Deafie VRS user</title>
		<link>http://www.edsalert.com/2009/07/08/fbi-warrants-and-warning/comment-page-2/#comment-70052</link>
		<dc:creator>Deafie VRS user</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ridor, be grown up and give gentle and polite to the interpreters what you said.  Better leave the interpreters&#039; nature even your sister is hearie.  She is a VI.  I wonder if you don&#039;t care toward her like insulting to her sometimes in your life?  As you usually grew up with your Deaf family, I often see them with big-head attitudes.  Your habit is to give rude to whom you say to.   You have no respect in your mind.   Also, you are going &quot;over the hill&quot;.  Please stop using bad words.  Remember, hearies are sensitive and can offense you if they want to.

You image, Ridor can dare to say even to Deafies, too.  They feel hurt or angry at him.  People can watch him all the time for his behavior/his statement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ridor, be grown up and give gentle and polite to the interpreters what you said.  Better leave the interpreters&#8217; nature even your sister is hearie.  She is a VI.  I wonder if you don&#8217;t care toward her like insulting to her sometimes in your life?  As you usually grew up with your Deaf family, I often see them with big-head attitudes.  Your habit is to give rude to whom you say to.   You have no respect in your mind.   Also, you are going &#8220;over the hill&#8221;.  Please stop using bad words.  Remember, hearies are sensitive and can offense you if they want to.</p>
<p>You image, Ridor can dare to say even to Deafies, too.  They feel hurt or angry at him.  People can watch him all the time for his behavior/his statement.</p>
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		<title>By: ck</title>
		<link>http://www.edsalert.com/2009/07/08/fbi-warrants-and-warning/comment-page-2/#comment-70044</link>
		<dc:creator>ck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why beat the crap out of the interpreters?  I believe that they are just pawns in this ordeal even though they are involved.  The real culprits are who is/was running the company.  They (CEO, owners, upper management)  are RESPONSIBLE for everything that happens within the company.  They are the ones that make things happen.  Interpreters are just pawns sitting in the sweat shops.    For the interpreters, it is d@mn if you do or d@mn if you don&#039;t.

VRS is a gift to all of us from the Government (We, The People).  Basically, we are stealing from our own pockets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why beat the crap out of the interpreters?  I believe that they are just pawns in this ordeal even though they are involved.  The real culprits are who is/was running the company.  They (CEO, owners, upper management)  are RESPONSIBLE for everything that happens within the company.  They are the ones that make things happen.  Interpreters are just pawns sitting in the sweat shops.    For the interpreters, it is d@mn if you do or d@mn if you don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>VRS is a gift to all of us from the Government (We, The People).  Basically, we are stealing from our own pockets.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
		<link>http://www.edsalert.com/2009/07/08/fbi-warrants-and-warning/comment-page-2/#comment-70041</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Calm down!  Ridor is being deliberately provocative.  That is what he does.  Doubt he could do anything else!  And this is not a criticism.  Just a statement of what I see is going on.  There is a time and place to be provocative - unlike Ridor I think such times and places are limited while he thinks it is about all the time!

Labour (that&#039;s how it is properly spelled!) and tax laws vary.  Up here in Canada I doubt very much that any of the VI interpreters would get away with claiming to be independent contractors.  Regardless of what the VRS company or the VI claims the tax people would say they are employees and would have to be treated as such.  But with 50 states plus down there it is bound to vary quite a bit!  VRS companies pay what they have to to keep interpreters working for them - the less they pay the more they profit.  Like other businesses some of them probably emphasis the long run more and want to keep good connections with their employees and customers while others just want the bucks.  Nothing new there!  VIs can choose who to work for.  Deafies can choose which VRS provider to use.  Choose wisely and stop whining!

Henry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calm down!  Ridor is being deliberately provocative.  That is what he does.  Doubt he could do anything else!  And this is not a criticism.  Just a statement of what I see is going on.  There is a time and place to be provocative &#8211; unlike Ridor I think such times and places are limited while he thinks it is about all the time!</p>
<p>Labour (that&#8217;s how it is properly spelled!) and tax laws vary.  Up here in Canada I doubt very much that any of the VI interpreters would get away with claiming to be independent contractors.  Regardless of what the VRS company or the VI claims the tax people would say they are employees and would have to be treated as such.  But with 50 states plus down there it is bound to vary quite a bit!  VRS companies pay what they have to to keep interpreters working for them &#8211; the less they pay the more they profit.  Like other businesses some of them probably emphasis the long run more and want to keep good connections with their employees and customers while others just want the bucks.  Nothing new there!  VIs can choose who to work for.  Deafies can choose which VRS provider to use.  Choose wisely and stop whining!</p>
<p>Henry</p>
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		<title>By: rst</title>
		<link>http://www.edsalert.com/2009/07/08/fbi-warrants-and-warning/comment-page-2/#comment-70037</link>
		<dc:creator>rst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VI! I am all for it... will be contacting you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VI! I am all for it&#8230; will be contacting you.</p>
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		<title>By: rst</title>
		<link>http://www.edsalert.com/2009/07/08/fbi-warrants-and-warning/comment-page-2/#comment-70036</link>
		<dc:creator>rst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ridor,

I don&#039;t know who hurt you or made you into the person you are, but I know you do not speak for the Deaf Community.  The deaf community I know embraces those of us who worked hard to provide a better place for all us.  Those of us whom have advocated for our clients above and beyond.  Those of us who offered to work pro bono, those of us who went to our local dr&#039;s offices and offered a discounted rates to make sure our deaf community was provided with service.  

I to am a CODA, my dad died this year and he would be pained to see the comments you have made.  I do pay my own taxes insurance etc.  I do not get vacation pay or sick time.  I spent money to go to interpreter training school even though I already knew how to sign.  I wanted to make sure I provided the best I could to the community.  I refused to work for agencies which over charged the consumers, by charging double and triple services.  So exactly what are you angry at us for ... doing our job.... I don&#039;t know what your talking about stealing your information... according to you we are so rich and fat why would we need to do that. ...when all is said and done, I can&#039;t even collect unemployment so tell me again how I have leeched off the system</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ridor,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know who hurt you or made you into the person you are, but I know you do not speak for the Deaf Community.  The deaf community I know embraces those of us who worked hard to provide a better place for all us.  Those of us whom have advocated for our clients above and beyond.  Those of us who offered to work pro bono, those of us who went to our local dr&#8217;s offices and offered a discounted rates to make sure our deaf community was provided with service.  </p>
<p>I to am a CODA, my dad died this year and he would be pained to see the comments you have made.  I do pay my own taxes insurance etc.  I do not get vacation pay or sick time.  I spent money to go to interpreter training school even though I already knew how to sign.  I wanted to make sure I provided the best I could to the community.  I refused to work for agencies which over charged the consumers, by charging double and triple services.  So exactly what are you angry at us for &#8230; doing our job&#8230;. I don&#8217;t know what your talking about stealing your information&#8230; according to you we are so rich and fat why would we need to do that. &#8230;when all is said and done, I can&#8217;t even collect unemployment so tell me again how I have leeched off the system</p>
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